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I Titani - Cast by Kronosaurus82 I Titani - Cast by Kronosaurus82
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Titolo - "I Titani", il cast
Tratto - Digitale nero 4 pixel
Colore - Digitale
Software - Adobe Photoshop CS
Hardware - Macintosh G5
Originale - Matita su carta - vari formati
Data - marzo 2009

Questa tavola compare nel quinto libro della serie "Dinosauri". Si tratta del cast completo del 5° volume, in scala reciproca e con la sagoma di un essere umano medio dell'altezza di 175cm.
Come spesso ci è accaduto, riuscire a comporre un cast credibile non è stato semplice. Abbiamo per esempio dovuto ipotizzare la presenza anche in Argentina del gigantesco coccodrillo Sarcosuchus (scoperto in Africa) ed "inventarci" l'Iguanodon argentino, di cui si conoscono le impronte ma non lo scheletro. Abbiamo anche una "quasi esclusiva", poichè quando questo libro era in lavorazione il Carnotaurino Skorpiovenator era stato descritto da poche settimane.
Ecco il cast al completo.
• A sinistra in basso – molto piccolo – Patagopteryx deferrariisi, un uccello non volatore che abbiamo voluto inserire nella storia per dimostrare il già avanzato stadio evolutivo degli uccelli.
• Subito a destra ecco Skorpiovenator bustingorryi un carnotaurino scoperto di recente: probabilmente uno dei dinosauri più brutti mai esistiti, raggiungeva i 6 metri di lunghezza.
• Ancora a destra Sarcosuchus sp., coccodrillo di ciclopiche proporzioni (oltre 12 metri di lunghezza) che con ogni probabilità cacciava i dinosauri come oggi il Coccodrillo del Nilo caccia gli gnu. Nel fumetto vi farà prendere uno spavento...
• Davanti a Sarcosuchus ecco l'antagonista di questa storia, il possente Giganotosaurus carolinii. Tra i più grandi predatori che abbiano mai calcato il suolo terrestre, era lungo oltre 13 metri e probabilmente cacciava in gruppo. Ho visto la ricostruzione del suo scheletro dal vivo, e posso garantirvi che è un animale incredibile.
• A destra e davanti a Giganotosaurus vedete Agustinia ligabuei. Questo sauropode lungo fino a 15 metri, è "famoso" per la sua schiena irta di spine e placche. In realtà è conosciuto solo sulla base di reperti molto frammentari, quindi la ricostruzione non è stata semplice.
• Tra le zampe di Agustinia, l'ornitopode Anabisetia saldiviai, lungo un paio di metri.
• A destra Iguanodon sp.. Mi stupisco sempre delle dimensioni di questi animali quando li disegno, perchè anche se Iguanodon era lungo "solo" 11 metri, come vedete si tratta in realtà di una bestia veramente grande, con il corpo delle dimensioni di un grosso elefante africano.
• Tra le zampe di Iguanodon un Velociraptorinae generico. Sappiamo che questo tipo di teropodi era diffuso in Sud America all'epoca in cui si svolge questa storia, quindi abbiamo voluto inserirlo nella storia sapendo che si tratta di animali molto popolari.
• Dietro a tutti, ma impossibile da non notare, il classico compagno di classe troppo alto per stare nelle foto di gruppo. Argentinosaurus hunculensis, un Titanosauro talmente enorme da risultare addirittura scarsamente credibile. La cosa "bizzarra" è che esistendo stime per la sua lunghezza piuttosto diverse (tra i 35 ed i 44 metri) abbiamo preferito restare a metà tra le due ipotesi, fermandoci a circa 40 metri di lunghezza. Se ne avessi regolato le dimensioni secondo le stime più "ottimiste"...
• Svolazzante sopra il gruppo il bizzarro Pterodaustro sp..


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Title - "Giant VS Giant" - cast
Ink - Digital black 4 pixels
Color - Digital
Software - Adobe Photoshop CS
Hardware - Macintosh G5
Original - Pencil on Paper - various formats
Date - march 2009

This plate is from the fifth volume of the "Dinosaurs" series. You can see the whole cast from the 5th book in scale with the outline of an average 175cm tall human being.
We often had problems in dinosaurs casting for our stories, and this book wasn't an exception. For example we had to hypotize the presence in Argentina of the huge african crocodile Sarcosuchus, and we had to "invent" our argentinian Iguanodon, whom is known by its footprints but not by its skeleton.
We also have an "almost patent", because when this book was in working, Skorpiovenator – a Carnotaurinae – was described only from a few weeks.
So here's the complete cast.
• Left below – very small – Patagopteryx deferrariisi, a non-flying bird that we included in our story to show how birds evolution was already well advanced.
• At the very nex right Skorpiovenator bustingorryi a recently discovered Carnotaurinae: perhaps one of the ugliest dinosaurs ever, it was up to 20ft/6m long.
• Right again there's Sarcosuchus sp., a gargantuan crocodile (over 40ft/12m long) that very likely fed with dinosaurs as the Nile Crocodile fed with antelopes. In the story it will perhaps scare you...
• Above Sarchosucus there's this story villain, the mighty Giganotosaurus carolinii. Among the larges carnivores ever lived on dry land, it was more than 42ft/13m long.
I saw a cast of its skeleton personally, and I assure you: it's an astounding animal.
• At Giganotosaurus right you can see Agustinia ligabuei. This sauropod was up to 49ft/15m long, and it's "famous" for its armoured back. It's actually known only by a few fragmentary remains, so was pretty difficult to restore.
• Between Agustinia's legs, the ornithopod Anabisetia saldiviai, a couple of meters long.
• At its right you can see Iguanodon sp.. I'm always astonished by the sheer size of this animal when I draw it, because even if Iguanodon is "only" 36ft/11m long, as you can see it's a very large beast, at least the size of a full grown african elephant.
• Between Iguanodon's legs a generic Velociraptorinae. We know that this kind of theropods was spread in South America in late Cretaceous, so we included it in this story because it's a very popular animal.
• In the background – but impossible to miss – the classical school mate who is too tall to stay in the group photo. Argentinosaurus hunculensis, a Titanosaur so huge that its size is almost unlikely.
The "funny" thing is that there are a lot of estimations for the actual size of this sauropod (between 35 and 44 meters), so we decided to scale it accordin to an "average mark", more or less 131ft/40m long.
If we would decide to scale it to the largest estimation...
Pterodaustro sp. flies above the group.
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:iconrandomdinos:
randomdinos Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2013
13m? According to the size of the Giganotosaurus body, it would have to have a tail quite a bit longer than the rest of the body in order to reach 13m...

Also, amazing as all the others. ;)
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2013  Professional Artist
Carnosaurs tails were actually quite long.
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randomdinos Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2013
 I thought later carnosaurs would have shorter tails than more primitive ones.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2013  Professional Artist
As far as I know, they didn't. :)
If you're thinking about Tyrannosaurs, those weren't Carnosaurs, of course.
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randomdinos Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2013
Well, alright then.
And no, I guess that's too obvious. :P
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:iconkronosaurus82:
Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2013  Professional Artist
;)
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Gigadino96 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013
Ma Sarcosuchus l'avete messo perchè era presente già in un episodio di Walking With Dinosaurs ambientato in Sud America oppure è una coincidenza?
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013  Professional Artist
Se devo essere onesto non ricordo episodi di WWD ambientati in Sud America... ma io conosco solo la serie del '99, se stai parlando di una serie più recente io non ne so niente. E credo non fosse nemmeno uscita ai tempi in cui abbiamo scritto il libro, perchè all'epoca ricordo di una nuova serie sui dinosauri della BBC con Nigel Marven in cui c'era un episodio con Giganotosaurus e Argentinosaurus, ma non mi pare ci fosse Sarcosuchus.
In ogni caso, nessun riferimento voluto a qualunque altra serie in nessuno dei volumi: l'abbiamo inserito ragionandoci sopra. :)
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Gigadino96 Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013
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Un immagine. Sì, è proprio quello con Nigel Marvin, e comunque, è curioso che voi e gli autori di WWD abbiamo avuto la stessa idea :).

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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013  Professional Artist
Io non lo trovo curioso, è sufficiente una analisi delle faune africana e sudamericana dell'epoca per notare tutte le similitudini. ;)
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Aloodonguy67 Featured By Owner May 26, 2013  Student Artist
I love it!!!!
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner May 27, 2013  Professional Artist
Thank you. :)
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Aloodonguy67 Featured By Owner May 27, 2013  Student Artist
You're welcome!!!!
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Gigadino96 Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
Mi sono appena iscritto, e già trovo un capolavoro ;).

Ho solo due domande:

1. Agustinia è vissuta un pò di tempo prima rispetto a Giganotosaurus e Argentinosaurus.
2. Probabilmente Giganotosaurus non ha mai incontrato Argentinosaurus. I resti del Teropode argentino provengono dalla Candeleros Formation (104-97 milioni di anni fa), mentre Argentinosaurus è stato rinvenuto nella Rio LImaly Formation (95-89 milioni di anni fa). Ma, in fondo, nessuno può dirlo, nessuno ha mai visto queste splendide creature vive ;).
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Professional Artist
Ti ringrazio per l'aggettivo capolavoro, spero di meritarlo davvero. :)

Per quanto riguarda le tue perplessità, la questione mi era già stata esposta da qualcun altro, in inglese, un annetto fa. Ti ripropongo la risposta che diedi all'epoca (te la traduco, nel caso non sapessi l'inglese, omettendo un paio di frasi che trattavano di Pterodaustro e quindi non ti interessano):
Volevamo parlare di Argentinosaurus in questa storia.
Quando abbiamo scritto il libro, scegliemmo molte di queste specie dalle nostre fonti, le quali le elencavano tutte nella provincia di Nequen; il fulcro scelto era la Rio Limay Formation che – stando al testo The Dinosauria 2nd Edition, che all'epoca era il testo di riferimento – include le formazioni di Candeleros, Huincul e Cerro Lisandro.
A Rio Limay, The Dinosauria localizza tra gli altri: Giganotosaurus, Argentinosaurus, Anabisetia e piste di impronte riconducibili ad un Iguanotontidae tracks; anche Agustinia viene da Nequen.
Attualmente, sulla rete, alcune fonti affermano che Argentinosaurus visse prima di Giganotosaurus; altre invece dicono che vissero allo stesso tempo [...].
[...]
Ricostruire un ecosistema estinto non è semplice come si potrebbe pensare. Inoltre, scrivendo un libro come questo, bisogna scegliere specie interessanti ed abbastanza conosciute da essere ricostruite in modo accettabile, e che siano anche diverse da quelle che vennero scelte per gli altri 5 volumi.
Senza falsa modestia, io penso che facemmo un buon lavoro con le fonti che avevamo all'epoca.


Spero che la risposta sia esaustiva. :)
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Gigadino96 Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
Grazie per la risposta :).
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SameerPrehistorica Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist
Actually the size of the Argentinosaurus here seems like it is 150 tonnes.In the Planet Dinosaur,they showed as size comaprison image for Argentinosaurus which is insane.Its shoulder was like only 18 feet.It should be more but in your image it is much more and also overall much bigger body.This won't look much smaller than Blue Whale.The same for Brachiosaurus Altithorax in another image.I did saw that you mentioned as largest estimation or largest individuals.I noted your triceratops skull was at 10 feet while it is not longer than 8 feet.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Professional Artist
I honestly don't know how I should reply to such a comment.
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SameerPrehistorica Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist
Alright,doesn't matter.As you make these great drawings,i just wondered if you take reference from any paleontologist ?
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Professional Artist
I worked with a paleontologist, of course! ;)
My references were montages, skeletal drawings (mainly by Scott Hartman and a few by Greg Paul) and articles. This is why I don't know how should I reply to comments like your previous one: I did these artworks using the maximum accuracy I could, so... what't the point in asking why my reconstruction are like they are? ;)
I don't know how you know Argentinosaurus' shoulders were "only 18 feet" because – as far as I know – we don't have any remainings of its forelimbs. :)
Moreover, Argentinosaurus mountings are not as big as the specimen I drew whom – as I wrote – anyway is not as long as the largest estimations. I "just" did a reconstruction based on what we knew about Titanosaurids at that time, and then I scaled it up to a length of about 40 meters on this scale. This was the result, that's all. :P I didn't "tune it up" to be larger or smaller than it should.
The same for Brachiosaurus: I drew it as precisely as I could and then I scaled it to a height of about 12 meters.
The same also for Triceratops: I drew it and I scaled it to a length of about 9 meters... as far as I know the largest known triceratops skull is about 2.5 meters long, a bit shorter than the longest Torosaurus skull which is about 2.8 meters long; but Triceratops' skull is way way more massive, because its frill was proportionally smaller than Torosaurus'.
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SameerPrehistorica Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist
The way i typed confused you.My English is bad.Before what i meant was --- In the show Planet Dinosaur ,they showed a size comaprison image for Argentinosaurus which had a shoulder only 18 feet high.That is very less.Brachiosaurus shoulder is more than that.Sure nobody can make accurate construction for an animal known from few remains.You don't have to take my comment as a question like why you put its shoulder that high.There are some people do ask questions.Don't mistake me about what i said about the size of your Argentinosaurus.I was just wondering if you used any reference or made on your idea.I did made a Argentinosaurus and put its shoulder at 24 feet high.That is just my idea after seeing some images in online.I wanted to see it next to the Blue Whale and its comparison looks ok,i think.Argentinosaurus looks somewhat smaller comparing Blue Whale.Your Argentinosaurus won't look smaller compared to Blue Whale as it is having a massive body.Once again,don't take my comment as a question.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Professional Artist
Understood. I'm sorry if I misunderstood your comment. ^_^
The truth is that a couple of years ago I had some dino fanboys whom made several... hum... "nerdy" comments (mainly about size matters) which were quite boring. I thought yours was kinda like those. Again, I apologize for my misunderstanding. :)
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SameerPrehistorica Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2013  Hobbyist
It's ok.I do know you would have compared me with those,that is why i explained some things and after all i also have made some animals in different way.So i know some people may say what i have done is wrong with some animal..etc etc.But i won't mind it since i am not any Paleoartist or paleontologist.I do things comparing some other images and i decide to put a size on my own :)
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rizkirafu Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
Wait, I though Postosuchus was lived in Africa
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2012  Professional Artist
I reckon you're talking about Sarcosuchus... ;)
The ecosystems of Northern Africa and Brazil/Argentina were quite similar at that time. So we decided – since these two continents were still pretty close – that the Sarcosuchus genus may have lived on both sides of the opening Atlantic Ocean.
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rizkirafu Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2012
Oh yeah, you right, i was read it in wikipedia.
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rizkirafu Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
Sorry, I mean Sarcosuchus
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Mesozoic0906 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2012
I also "trying" to make cartoon on mesozoic eco system which include early cretaceous argentina.

The cast
: Argentinosaurus, Giganotosaurus, Skorpiovenator, Macrogryphosaurus, Buitreraptor, Pterodaustro, Agustina, and noasaurus

And thank you! I now know I can add patagopteryx on argentinosaurus's back (Hope it's not noasaurus's mouth.)
I'm also considering on putting some land crocs from brazil which are interesting.


A question: Were the velociraptoridae dinosaurs were common in Gondwana?
I thought Unenlagiinae was the dominant one.... If it's not, sorry for my ignorance.


Anyway, I love your series. Especially I liked the design of scipionyx and bary in your 4th book.
Your book has been translated to Korean (my language) but some evil Koreans changed it into kid's comic book, which is a tragedy.
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:iconkronosaurus82:
Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Professional Artist
And thank you! I now know I can add patagopteryx on argentinosaurus's back (Hope it's not noasaurus's mouth.)

I used the final section of "The Dinosauria 2nd Edition", to form up our cast for this book. That book was the dinosaurs bible when it was released 7 years ago, but now it's outdated in some ways.
Honestly, I didn't follow so much the news about new discovers in Argentina, so I'm not able to judge your cast. I suggest you to check out dinodata.org. :)

A question: Were the velociraptoridae dinosaurs were common in Gondwana?
I thought Unenlagiinae was the dominant one.... If it's not, sorry for my ignorance.

As far as I know, there are no new Velociraptoridae from South America. So we still have just a few Unenlagiinae remainings.

Anyway, I love your series. Especially I liked the design of scipionyx and bary in your 4th book.
Your book has been translated to Korean (my language) but some evil Koreans changed it into kid's comic book, which is a tragedy.

Unfortunately also the US edition is quite childish because of the change of the main font they made. I didn't see the Korean edition, but I think that's difficult that it's worst than the French edition...
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Mesozoic0906 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012
Oh, thanks for link recommandation :)

The Korean version "seems" nice, but it obviousely ignored older dinosaur mania like me.
The font is fine but the way(tone) it is translated is like a bed time story for kid.

Sad many still views dinosaurs as children stuff, even in the age of dinosaur reniassance.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2012  Professional Artist
Perhaps that's not a translation fault. I wrote these stories as legends – or tales – told by the Sun, whom doesn't name none of the dinosaurs scientific names. But the original narration mood is not childish for sure, infact there a are a many citations from romantic philosophers like Holderlin and Goethe, and I spoke about death and time in a way that a child could not understand. As I said I didn't see anything of the Korean edition, so I don't know how they translated it. US, Japanese and German translations are very close to my originals, while the French edition is not. So I would like to know how the Korean version is. :)
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Dino-Mario Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow,i didn't know there where Sarcosuchus and Iguanodon fossils discovered in South America.Cool!!!
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Professional Artist
There aren't, actually.
We put Sarcosuchus in our story because we noticed that South American and African faunas were quite similar at that time, so to complete our cast we "aired" this giant crocodile too; on the contrary the case of Iguanodon is based on fossil footprints left by Iguanodontids.
The fact is at the time we did this book, we had herds of theropods fossils and a few sauropods fossils from middle Cretaceous Argentina, and we couldn't get a good variety of animals to form up a credible environment without guessing a bit about some of our animals. :)
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Dino-Mario Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
That sounds kinda interesting.I think i may need to research even more about mesozoic fauna
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SilverDragon234 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2012
So. Who's the hero of this tale?
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:iconkronosaurus82:
Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012  Professional Artist
Read the book and find it. ;)
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SilverDragon234 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2012
hmm
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:iconkronosaurus82:
Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Professional Artist
Here you can find all the infos: [link]
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SilverDragon234 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012
okie dokie
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SameerPrehistorica Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2012  Hobbyist
Wish i could see it fully...hehe. I put a Blue Whale size comparison.Let's see what you think about it
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012  Professional Artist
I think the whale is heavier, but Argentinosaurus is longer. :)
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SameerPrehistorica Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2012  Hobbyist
sure it is longer.The thing which i don't like is Paleontologists reducing the weight of Sauropods.Increasing and reducing...Whatever.I don't believe in that completely.I heard like for Argentinosaurus..the correct weight is like around 70 tonnes or so.
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RajaHarimau98 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Now I want to make a dinosaur comic, lol. :P
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2012  Professional Artist
Try to make it, then! :)
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RajaHarimau98 Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for encouragement; I probably will have to try when I get out of school just so I could have time! For now, I just have short narratives I'm content with. :)
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DaSaurian Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012
I Love Argentinean Dinosaurs! Nice job!
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012  Professional Artist
Thanks. :)
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2011  Professional Artist
Bu
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LadyBelva Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ho adorato i dinosauri sin dalla mia infanzia e vedere delle illustrazioni così dettagliate e meticolose è straordinario, sono così imponenti che il solo immaginarli nelle loro dimensioni in scala reale è spaventoso :O
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2011  Professional Artist
Pensavo la stessa cosa mentre li disegnavo. Se non hai mai visto uno scheletro fossile di un dinosauro di buone dimensioni (sopra gli 8 metri) ti consiglio caldamente di provare l'esperienza. A Milano c'è un calco del Tyrannosaurus Stan, e vederlo dal vivo è qualcosa di speciale.
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