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Titolo - "I Titani", il cast
Tratto - Digitale nero 4 pixel
Colore - Digitale
Software - Adobe Photoshop CS
Hardware - Macintosh G5
Originale - Matita su carta - vari formati
Data - marzo 2009

Questa tavola compare nel quinto libro della serie "Dinosauri". Si tratta del cast completo del 5° volume, in scala reciproca e con la sagoma di un essere umano medio dell'altezza di 175cm.
Come spesso ci è accaduto, riuscire a comporre un cast credibile non è stato semplice. Abbiamo per esempio dovuto ipotizzare la presenza anche in Argentina del gigantesco coccodrillo Sarcosuchus (scoperto in Africa) ed "inventarci" l'Iguanodon argentino, di cui si conoscono le impronte ma non lo scheletro. Abbiamo anche una "quasi esclusiva", poichè quando questo libro era in lavorazione il Carnotaurino Skorpiovenator era stato descritto da poche settimane.
Ecco il cast al completo.
• A sinistra in basso – molto piccolo – Patagopteryx deferrariisi, un uccello non volatore che abbiamo voluto inserire nella storia per dimostrare il già avanzato stadio evolutivo degli uccelli.
• Subito a destra ecco Skorpiovenator bustingorryi un carnotaurino scoperto di recente: probabilmente uno dei dinosauri più brutti mai esistiti, raggiungeva i 6 metri di lunghezza.
• Ancora a destra Sarcosuchus sp., coccodrillo di ciclopiche proporzioni (oltre 12 metri di lunghezza) che con ogni probabilità cacciava i dinosauri come oggi il Coccodrillo del Nilo caccia gli gnu. Nel fumetto vi farà prendere uno spavento...
• Davanti a Sarcosuchus ecco l'antagonista di questa storia, il possente Giganotosaurus carolinii. Tra i più grandi predatori che abbiano mai calcato il suolo terrestre, era lungo oltre 13 metri e probabilmente cacciava in gruppo. Ho visto la ricostruzione del suo scheletro dal vivo, e posso garantirvi che è un animale incredibile.
• A destra e davanti a Giganotosaurus vedete Agustinia ligabuei. Questo sauropode lungo fino a 15 metri, è "famoso" per la sua schiena irta di spine e placche. In realtà è conosciuto solo sulla base di reperti molto frammentari, quindi la ricostruzione non è stata semplice.
• Tra le zampe di Agustinia, l'ornitopode Anabisetia saldiviai, lungo un paio di metri.
• A destra Iguanodon sp.. Mi stupisco sempre delle dimensioni di questi animali quando li disegno, perchè anche se Iguanodon era lungo "solo" 11 metri, come vedete si tratta in realtà di una bestia veramente grande, con il corpo delle dimensioni di un grosso elefante africano.
• Tra le zampe di Iguanodon un Velociraptorinae generico. Sappiamo che questo tipo di teropodi era diffuso in Sud America all'epoca in cui si svolge questa storia, quindi abbiamo voluto inserirlo nella storia sapendo che si tratta di animali molto popolari.
• Dietro a tutti, ma impossibile da non notare, il classico compagno di classe troppo alto per stare nelle foto di gruppo. Argentinosaurus hunculensis, un Titanosauro talmente enorme da risultare addirittura scarsamente credibile. La cosa "bizzarra" è che esistendo stime per la sua lunghezza piuttosto diverse (tra i 35 ed i 44 metri) abbiamo preferito restare a metà tra le due ipotesi, fermandoci a circa 40 metri di lunghezza. Se ne avessi regolato le dimensioni secondo le stime più "ottimiste"...
• Svolazzante sopra il gruppo il bizzarro Pterodaustro sp..


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Title - "Giant VS Giant" - cast
Ink - Digital black 4 pixels
Color - Digital
Software - Adobe Photoshop CS
Hardware - Macintosh G5
Original - Pencil on Paper - various formats
Date - march 2009

This plate is from the fifth volume of the "Dinosaurs" series. You can see the whole cast from the 5th book in scale with the outline of an average 175cm tall human being.
We often had problems in dinosaurs casting for our stories, and this book wasn't an exception. For example we had to hypotize the presence in Argentina of the huge african crocodile Sarcosuchus, and we had to "invent" our argentinian Iguanodon, whom is known by its footprints but not by its skeleton.
We also have an "almost patent", because when this book was in working, Skorpiovenator – a Carnotaurinae – was described only from a few weeks.
So here's the complete cast.
• Left below – very small – Patagopteryx deferrariisi, a non-flying bird that we included in our story to show how birds evolution was already well advanced.
• At the very nex right Skorpiovenator bustingorryi a recently discovered Carnotaurinae: perhaps one of the ugliest dinosaurs ever, it was up to 20ft/6m long.
• Right again there's Sarcosuchus sp., a gargantuan crocodile (over 40ft/12m long) that very likely fed with dinosaurs as the Nile Crocodile fed with antelopes. In the story it will perhaps scare you...
• Above Sarchosucus there's this story villain, the mighty Giganotosaurus carolinii. Among the larges carnivores ever lived on dry land, it was more than 42ft/13m long.
I saw a cast of its skeleton personally, and I assure you: it's an astounding animal.
• At Giganotosaurus right you can see Agustinia ligabuei. This sauropod was up to 49ft/15m long, and it's "famous" for its armoured back. It's actually known only by a few fragmentary remains, so was pretty difficult to restore.
• Between Agustinia's legs, the ornithopod Anabisetia saldiviai, a couple of meters long.
• At its right you can see Iguanodon sp.. I'm always astonished by the sheer size of this animal when I draw it, because even if Iguanodon is "only" 36ft/11m long, as you can see it's a very large beast, at least the size of a full grown african elephant.
• Between Iguanodon's legs a generic Velociraptorinae. We know that this kind of theropods was spread in South America in late Cretaceous, so we included it in this story because it's a very popular animal.
• In the background – but impossible to miss – the classical school mate who is too tall to stay in the group photo. Argentinosaurus hunculensis, a Titanosaur so huge that its size is almost unlikely.
The "funny" thing is that there are a lot of estimations for the actual size of this sauropod (between 35 and 44 meters), so we decided to scale it accordin to an "average mark", more or less 131ft/40m long.
If we would decide to scale it to the largest estimation...
Pterodaustro sp. flies above the group.
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:iconsameerprehistorica:
Actually the size of the Argentinosaurus here seems like it is 150 tonnes.In the Planet Dinosaur,they showed as size comaprison image for Argentinosaurus which is insane.Its shoulder was like only 18 feet.It should be more but in your image it is much more and also overall much bigger body.This won't look much smaller than Blue Whale.The same for Brachiosaurus Altithorax in another image.I did saw that you mentioned as largest estimation or largest individuals.I noted your triceratops skull was at 10 feet while it is not longer than 8 feet.
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~Kronosaurus82 Mar 31, 2013  Professional Artist
I honestly don't know how I should reply to such a comment.
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:iconsameerprehistorica:
Alright,doesn't matter.As you make these great drawings,i just wondered if you take reference from any paleontologist ?
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~Kronosaurus82 Mar 31, 2013  Professional Artist
I worked with a paleontologist, of course! ;)
My references were montages, skeletal drawings (mainly by Scott Hartman and a few by Greg Paul) and articles. This is why I don't know how should I reply to comments like your previous one: I did these artworks using the maximum accuracy I could, so... what't the point in asking why my reconstruction are like they are? ;)
I don't know how you know Argentinosaurus' shoulders were "only 18 feet" because – as far as I know – we don't have any remainings of its forelimbs. :)
Moreover, Argentinosaurus mountings are not as big as the specimen I drew whom – as I wrote – anyway is not as long as the largest estimations. I "just" did a reconstruction based on what we knew about Titanosaurids at that time, and then I scaled it up to a length of about 40 meters on this scale. This was the result, that's all. :P I didn't "tune it up" to be larger or smaller than it should.
The same for Brachiosaurus: I drew it as precisely as I could and then I scaled it to a height of about 12 meters.
The same also for Triceratops: I drew it and I scaled it to a length of about 9 meters... as far as I know the largest known triceratops skull is about 2.5 meters long, a bit shorter than the longest Torosaurus skull which is about 2.8 meters long; but Triceratops' skull is way way more massive, because its frill was proportionally smaller than Torosaurus'.
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:iconsameerprehistorica:
The way i typed confused you.My English is bad.Before what i meant was --- In the show Planet Dinosaur ,they showed a size comaprison image for Argentinosaurus which had a shoulder only 18 feet high.That is very less.Brachiosaurus shoulder is more than that.Sure nobody can make accurate construction for an animal known from few remains.You don't have to take my comment as a question like why you put its shoulder that high.There are some people do ask questions.Don't mistake me about what i said about the size of your Argentinosaurus.I was just wondering if you used any reference or made on your idea.I did made a Argentinosaurus and put its shoulder at 24 feet high.That is just my idea after seeing some images in online.I wanted to see it next to the Blue Whale and its comparison looks ok,i think.Argentinosaurus looks somewhat smaller comparing Blue Whale.Your Argentinosaurus won't look smaller compared to Blue Whale as it is having a massive body.Once again,don't take my comment as a question.
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~Kronosaurus82 Mar 31, 2013  Professional Artist
Understood. I'm sorry if I misunderstood your comment. ^_^
The truth is that a couple of years ago I had some dino fanboys whom made several... hum... "nerdy" comments (mainly about size matters) which were quite boring. I thought yours was kinda like those. Again, I apologize for my misunderstanding. :)
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:iconsameerprehistorica:
It's ok.I do know you would have compared me with those,that is why i explained some things and after all i also have made some animals in different way.So i know some people may say what i have done is wrong with some animal..etc etc.But i won't mind it since i am not any Paleoartist or paleontologist.I do things comparing some other images and i decide to put a size on my own :)
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:iconrizkirafu:
Wait, I though Postosuchus was lived in Africa
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~Kronosaurus82 Nov 12, 2012  Professional Artist
I reckon you're talking about Sarcosuchus... ;)
The ecosystems of Northern Africa and Brazil/Argentina were quite similar at that time. So we decided – since these two continents were still pretty close – that the Sarcosuchus genus may have lived on both sides of the opening Atlantic Ocean.
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:iconrizkirafu:
Oh yeah, you right, i was read it in wikipedia.
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