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Titolo - Red Eyes
Tratto - Matita B
Colore - Digitale
Software - Photoshop CS
Hardware - Macintosh G5
Originale - Matita su carta
Data - settembre 2008

Illustrazione del 2008 per la parte scientifica del terzo volume della collana Dinosauri, pubblicata in diversi paesi.

Torvosaurus tanneri è un Teropode poco conosciuto dal grande pubblico, e probabilmente nemmeno molti amatori lo saprebbero riconoscere. Probabilmente la sua fama è oscurata dal ben più popolare compaesano Allosaurus; ed è un peccato, perchè Torvosaurus è un animale dall'aspetto splendido e dalle caratteristiche veramente notevoli.
Non molto più piccolo di Allosaurus (era lungo tra i 9 e gli 11 metri) visse nello stesso periodo e nelle stesse regioni popolate dal suo più illustre collega, ma come si vede dall'illustrazione non aveva nulla da invidiargli in termini di "armamento". Questo significa che in Nord America, nel Giurassico Superiore, era come se girassero sia le Tigri che i Leoni…

Non una delle mie migliori illustrazioni, lo ammetto, ma Torvosaurus mi piace così tanto che ho deciso di postarla ugualmente.


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Title - Red Eyes
Ink - B pencil
Colore - Digitale
Software - Photoshop CS
Hardware - Macintosh G5
Original - Pencil on Paper
Date - september 2008

Artwork I made in 2008 for the scientific part of the 3rd book of my Dinosaurs series, published in several countries.

Torvosaurus tanneri is a Theropod quite unknown amongst the general public, and I bet even many of the enthusiasts would not recognize it.
Probably its fame is a bit obscured by its way more popular countryman Allosaurus; I think it's a shame, because Torvosaurus was a gorgeous Dinosaur and a proper super predator.
Just a bit smaller than Allosaurus (it was between 9m/30ft and 11m/36ft long), it lived in the same timeperiod and in the same places of its illustrious colleague but, as you can see in the artwork, it had nothing to envy in raw "armament" terms.
This means that in North America, during Late Jurassic, was like if Tigers and Lions roamed at the same time...

This is not one of my best works I admit, but I like Torvosaurus so much I decided to post it anyway.
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aikman2016 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
Il disegno è bello ma mi sembra che solo gli animali albini avevano gli occhi rossi.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016  Professional Artist
Molti uccelli – non albini – hanno gli occhi rossi.
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aikman2016 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2016
Grazie tante per l'informazioni, stai ampliando le mie conoscenze.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2016  Professional Artist
Prego. ;)
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Paleo-King Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
I always thought Torvosaurus was bigger than Allosaurus... I guess unless you count Saurophagnax as an Allosaurus species. Though I suspect the average Allosaurus (whether fragilis, atrox, or jimmadseni) was still a good deal smaller than a Torvosaurus. And Torvosaurus has bigger and stronger teeth and a stronger jaw, almost like it was trying to become a tyrannosaur.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2016  Professional Artist
I always thought Saurophaganax hadn't enough differences from Allosaurus to justify a whole new genus, and my paleontologist co-author agreed... but well, I'm not a paleontologist myself, so I might as well be wrong. :)
Anyway, Torvosaurus had a bulkier and more "tyrannosaurish" head and teeth indeed, you're right; in my opinion – as I probably already wrote somewhere around here – this might be the key factor to set Allosaurus and Torvosaurus apart in the Morrison ecosystem. :)
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asari13 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
adoro il torvosauro
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2016  Professional Artist
Genere relativamente poco conosciuto, ma sottovalutato. :)
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grisador Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2015
Allosaurus'es get wasted & devastated after this particular species...

...aand Saurophaganax ! :D


Great work :nod:
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2015  Professional Artist
Actually I think they didn't bother too much for each other. :)
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grisador Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2015
Really ? Not even Bullying ? :o
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2015  Professional Artist
I doubt any living or extinct predator would go around bullying another predator of the same size. :)
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grisador Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2015
We see wolves & Bears do Bully eachother; especially at drought winter seasons.

Same size ? İsn't Torvosaurus was bigger then Allosaurus ? :o
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2015  Professional Artist
In my humble opinion, Saurophaganax doesn't exist as a separate genus. That's just Allosaurus. Thus, actually, Torvosaurus is even slightly smaller than Allosaurus. ;)
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grisador Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2015
İt really looks like an allosaurus; but proving an allosaur's growth into that sizesize would be an astonishing discovery; many speculate it was a Subspecies at best.

Could be; if Saurophaganax was an allosaurus :nod:
Poor Torvosaurus; only grow 10 meters at best conditions
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2015  Professional Artist
Oops, clicked on "submit comment" too soon. :P
I was going to also say that in my humble opinion Torvosaurus and Allosaurus were in slightly different niches, thus I doubt they used to bother for each other. Of course there are always unusual cases, like the one you mentioned of bear VS wolf during winter starvation. ;)
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2015  Professional Artist
As I said, I seriously think Saurophaganax lacks enough differencies to be a separate genus. :)
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Terizinosaurus Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2015
VERY NICE JOB!!:)
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2015  Professional Artist
Thanks. :)
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Venator94 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2015
Ecco un bestione di cui non si sente parlare spesso! Torvosaurus tanneri, fra i vari big, è un tantino ignorato dalle masse. XD
Comunque questa tavola è incantevole come tutte le altre che hai postato(spero non sia un problema se mi permetto di darti del tu =P ). Tra tutte  quelle che ho visto sui Dinosauri, le tue sono quelle che mi lasciano a bocca aperta ogni volta: le pose, i dettagli, la correttezza dell'anatomia, i colori(azzeccatissimi)... Davvero fantastiche! Le ricordo dai tempi di JPItalia! =)

P.S.: il nostro amico portoghese/nordamericano non scherza in quanto a zanne, eh? XD
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2015  Professional Artist
Ti ringrazio. Il buffo è che io non la considero affatto una delle mie tavole migliori, come ho scritto sopra. :P ;)
In effetti su Torvosaurus si tende a glissare, per qualche motivo misterioso...

Frequentavi JP Italia? Posso chiederti che nickname usavi? :)
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Venator94 Featured By Owner May 24, 2015
Per parecchio tempo ho seguito JP Italia da dietro le quinte, principalmente perché ero troppo "piccolo" e certi meccanismi,
come la misteriosa "registrazione" a un qualsiasi sito, mi erano ignoti. Ricordo che leggevo con tantissima ammirazione
i post dei "pezzi grossi" come "Darthsantuzzo", "Utahraptor" e di un certo "Kronosaurus"(specialmente quando erano lunghi!). ;)
Ovviamente mi interessavano anche i vari contest e i topic su Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis, un gioco glorioso. 
Poi mi sono finalmente registrato col nickname di "Xigbar", verso... fine 2010?
Qualcosa del genere. 
Continuai a postare con una certa regolarità finché, lo ammetto, cominciai a scrivere un po' di meno, perché mi sentivo un po' inadeguato lì dentro, dato che c'era un sacco di gente che ne sapeva parecchio più di me. XD
Non molto tempo dopo il Forum chiuse. Triste storia. =(
Ma nel tempo ho continuato a seguire JP Italia come Blog, e anche la Dark Side Factory è sempre stati fra i miei Preferiti. =D
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner May 25, 2015  Professional Artist
Ah, ora capisco. :)
Grazie per aver descritto tutta la storia, mi interessa sempre scoprire il punto di vista di altri che hanno fatto parte di quella bella community. Io purtroppo non ero della banda, quando il sito fu rinnovato nel 2008, quindi non ho potuto conoscerti. ;)
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PCAwesomeness Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2015
Torvo MAD! Torvo SMASH!!!!!!
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Saberrex Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
this is awesome. they talked about and showed Torvosaurus in Dinosaur Revolution, but i must say, i kinda like this one quite a bit better. as vibrant and deadly as the DR Torvosaur was, he was a little too anthropomorphic. and a little too noisy and brash, charging in instead of ambushing his prey. the one thing they got right, is those strong arms. this one shares that trait. i can just imagine him chasing down a juvenile sauropod, or a camptosaur, and just bowling it over with one swipe from those arms.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Professional Artist
I don't like CGI documentaries about dinosaurs, cause you never see dinosaurs behaving like the animals they were: they only behave like the show producers thought the audience would like to see... on other words, like monsters.
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Saberrex Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
true, though i must admit, walking with dinosaurs and when dinosaurs roamed america were pretty good about portraying them as real animals.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Professional Artist
WWD was pretty good, but far from a true believable behavior reconstruction, in my opinion.
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Saberrex Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
how so? I'm curious to know what you thought was off.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Artist
Well, in WWD animals were noisy, dinosaurs kept barking each other and they pretty much walked by on screen, without doing something that might let you feel them as living creatures. But WWD was anyway far better than every boringly unrealistic nowadays CGI documentaries.
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Saberrex Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
true. very true, plus, a lot of those behaviors that were portrayed are considered inaccurate these days. they did clear that up though a bit with Planet Dinosaur on BBC. that i must say was very factually accurate, even if some creatures were a little similar looking and had similar sound effects (the tyrannosaurids for the most part, having no crest differentiations).
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2012  Professional Artist
Some of the WWD reconstructions were quite inaccurate even at that time, actually...
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HIPPOPOTOMONSTROSES1 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I did not know that it was quite unknown, I realy thought it was pretty common. well gues i learnt something today. nice drawing!
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2012  Professional Artist
Thanks. :)
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geekspace Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2012
T. tanneri & C. nasicornis: rocking the Overbite of Doom(TM) before tyrannosaurs made it a cottage industry. And frankly, while this sucker might be relatively lean of midsection, that combination of muzzle, fang & claw ('specially the first two) seems more than sufficient to make 'Big Al' (who wasn't exactly a beefcake him/herself) reconsider asserting its supposed 'kingship'.

Random aside: I get the impression that aside from those apparently-rare 40-plus-footers which may/may not be a separate species (e.g. Saurophaganax, Epanterias, etc.), Allosaurus generally topped out in the 30-foot range. Impressive enough, but hardly edging out either of its contemporaries by a decisive margin...one on one, anyhow. 'Sides, as your nifty scale comparisons of Theropoda's 'Top Four' handily demonstrate, a couple extra feet of length hardly tell the whole tale.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2012  Professional Artist
I'd say the average size of Torvosaurus and Allosaurus is roughly the same (around 30ft, as far as I know), while the average for Ceratosaurus is more around 20ft. Personally I don't think that the bigger Allosaurus specimen are a distinct species or even a distinct genus: my point of view is described in the third book of the series, in which the bigger ones are alpha males.
Size and "weapons" are not everything to determine what was a theropod behavior (otherwise we might fell in mistakes like the one which sees Spinosaurus as the most fearsome hunter of all times), we should consider the body structure also. Ceratosaurus is proportionally bulkier that Torvo and Allo, so I see it like a Hyena: not so fast, but quite strong, and its skull and teeth are pretty big and rugged compared to the other two. Allosaurus is slender and its teeth and claws are slightly smaller than Torvosaurus ones, but Allosaurus has something that Torvosaurus hasn't: lacrimal horns and snout features which are different for each individual. This in my opinion is a clue of its quite evolved social life: Allosauruses needed to visually recognize each other quickly.
Torvosaurus is slender and powerful too, its weapons are very impressive, but it has no "facial features" which might render each individual easily recognizable, so in my opinion it was a lone wolf, and its weapons were so effective cause it needed to shoot down its preys alone. :)

Well, this is my point of view, don't know if correct or not... but no one could tell if it is or not. :P
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geekspace Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2012
Intriguing conjecture regarding allosaur size...kinda reminiscent of top-end bull crocs holding sway over their portion of the river/estuary/whatnot. Gotta admit, taxonomy regarding the different flavors of Allosaurus (atrox, fragilis, amplexus/maximus??) has always flummoxed me, so narrowing that down by a name or two is all too tempting.

As for the social aspect...again, nifty propositions. I can see how personal firepower might reduce the need for Torvosaurus to join forces beyond, say, pairs and/or family units; Ceratosaurus might be slightly more gregarious out of necessity alongside such competitors. Perhaps the assemblage of large allosaur packs was a seasonal response to sauropod migrations, either harrying juveniles from a herd or, once in a blue moon, wearing down a sick/decrepit adult.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012  Professional Artist
I'm not in favor of genus proliferation, and since when cladistic paleontology made its debut pretty much every difference in the bones seems enough for a new genus, so... you do the math.

In my opinion Allosaurus skull features are too much elaborate to be evolved out just from an occasional social life. Of course is just speculation.
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geekspace Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012
To be sure, the pack structure has advantages above & beyond securing tough game. Territory control & nesting sites come to mind, though it seems theropod chicks were a damn sight more self-sufficient than your average mammalian carnivore cub.

So far as I can tell, genus has its place when structural differences unrelated to dimorphism or aging can be isolated...by no means an easy (or even commonly accepted) distinction to make. 'Course, there are occasions where lumping's most likely the wrong move as well. 'Toroceratops,' anyone?
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012  Professional Artist
Duh, "Toroceratops"... what a cheap shot! XD ;)
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geekspace Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012
True, true. We'd do well to remember its proponents' earlier contributions to paleontology (e.g. Maiasaura), though.
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2012  Professional Artist
Just that... :P
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RulerOfLions Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Torvosaurus is awesome!
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Mallimaakari Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012
Great work! I have done a 1:24 sculpture of this magnificent beast!:D
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012  Professional Artist
Thanks!
I have to say that your works are astonishing! :)
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DinosaurianDude Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
As Allosaurus is often described as the Lions of the Jurassic, I guess Torvosaurus is more like the hyena in this sence: it's also slightly smaller and less ornamented than it's neighbor and by far less popular by the public, but every bit as important as top predator(and in the hyena's case even better!)
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012  Professional Artist
I think Morrison's Hyena was Ceratosaurus: it's the smallest of the trio, buts its proportionally bulkier and its theet are quite robust. Torvosaurus is a slender and somewhat athletic beast just like Allosaurus, so I think they were similar; less ornaments might mean that Torvosaurus was a solo hunter, while Allosaurus was a social hunter. :)
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DinosaurianDude Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Still there is no real analogy, as these animals simply aren't exactly the same in their habitat ;) but to put my finger on it, I guess Torvosaurus might instead be more like the Jurassic leopard? And also: what might the cheetahs and wild dogs of the Jurassic be?
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Kronosaurus82 Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2012  Professional Artist
The Leopard is well built, while Torvosaurus is quite slender... I don't know what actually was at that time, it's too much a guessing game. My personal opinion is that Allosaurus was a pack hunter and Torvosaurus a solo hunter (just like Lions and Tigers), and this meant they looked for different preys, with Allosaurs specializing perhaps in massive Sauropods and Torvosaurus in Ornithopods like Camptosaurus... but again, who knows?
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TyrannosaurusPrime Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2012
Maybe Stokesosaurus and Marshosaurus? ;)
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